Will you hire a robot to be your chauffeur?

Are we ready for robot cars?

Cars are our culture.  We polish them.  We name them.  We produce entire motion pictures featuring cars who bring us self-understanding, triumph, and love.

Cars are not blenders on wheels.  Cars are, for many, expressions of our inner selves.

But thought leader and author Tony Seba and his consultancy RethinkX believe that we are about to give our beloved cars up.  All at once.  In roughly a decade, probably less.

Does this even remotely make sense?

It seems unfathomable that our culture could change in such a short period of time, but economics has a way of bending culture to its will.  If you doubt this, ask how long a beloved mom and pop store lasts when Walmart arrives in town, or how studiously your and your peers look through clothing tags for a Made in America badge.

And so our collective decision about whether to embrace our robot chauffeurs coms to this: Self driving cars will be unfathomably cheap.  So cheap that it won’t make sense to drive the vehicle we already own.

This sounds impossible, but the logic is sound.  In a previous piece, I laid out why self-driving cars are coming, and how Big Oil is vulnerable to going the way of Kodak and Blockbuster. To follow up, I wanted to share the math: 11 graphs that helped me take the journey from skeptic to believer.  Hopefully they will help you understand that yes, our culture can be bought.  And that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Self-driving cars will work at 1/10th the price of a traditional cab.  They will be 2-4X cheaper than owning a car and driving it yourself.  They will win the battle in the marketplace, and the battle for our culture.

Here is why.


1. Self-driving vehicles will be cheap because the drivers have vanished


This is the dream of every capitalist: No driver means no wages.  If a car today costs about 53.5¢ per mile to own and operate (per the IRS), and a New York City taxi charges $2 per mile to drive to your destination, you can guess that humans are responsible for much of the $1.50 difference.

A 2011 study in Ottawa gave an estimate of the cost breakdown for a taxi, and if we consider the cost of humans to be earnings + insurance (since robots should not have accidents, their insurance costs should be negligible), then people account for 56.9% of costs.

Taxi cost profile

A breakdown of the costs of operating a cab.  From Ottawa, 2011.

Even in long-haul trucking, with its simple routes and limited traffic, drivers earn about 30% of the gross revenue of the truck.  And when you sum in the other costs of being human, including insurance, meals, lodging and the like, people account for just under half the cost of trucking – nearly the same as with a cab.

Cost of trucking

Annual cost of $103,000 per year for a truck that completes 100,000 miles per year.  From the Owner Operator Independent Trucker Association


People are indeed the biggest cost of driving.  But simply taking people out of the cost does not, alone, lead to anything transformational.

To understand why self-driving cars will revolutionize transport, you have to look deeper.


2. Batteries last so long, individual car owners will die before the batteries do


A group of Tesla users has crowdsourced insights onto the lifetime of Tesla batteries, and plotted them to understand how the battery degrades over life.   You can see a rapid initial drop in capacity over the first 40,000 km, followed by a roughly linear fade at a rate of about 2% every 100,000 km (60,000 miles).

Tesla range 1
Self-reported Tesla battery capacity reported by drivers in the Dutch-Belgium Tesla Forum.  Those in the US should note that the x-axis is in kilometers, not miles.

This failure pattern is normal for lithium ion batteries: the initial, rapid drop is a reaction between the battery’s electrolyte liquid and its electrodes to form a sort of passivation layer, akin to the protective coating on a cast iron pan.  Once this layer has formed, degradation trends more or less with the number of miles driven.[1]

Today, the technology community generally considers a battery to be at the end of it’s life when it can only hold 70% or 80% of its original charge  (more on this below).  When you project that out, you find that a Tesla will last somewhere between 750,000 and 1,200,000 kilometers (500,000 and 750,000 miles).  That’s 3-5X as long as an internal combustion engine drivetrain.  That’s up to 50 years of car ownership.

Telsa range 2

Again, those in the US should note that the x-axis is in kilometers, not miles.

On a per mile basis, the capital cost of an electric vehicle may be 1/4 that of a gasoline vehicle.  Yet if the car is parked 96% of the time, individual owners can’t take advantage of that savings – most of us simply won’t drive this many miles in a lifetime.

Robots, however, can.

3. Electric vehicles don’t break

Tony Seba has made an astounding claim about electric vehicles – because the electric drivetrain has about 20 parts compared with 2,000 in an internal combustion engine, EV’s will have dramatically lower repair costs.  And savings on maintenance will be critical for anyone whole really intends to get 500,000 miles on a car.

Tesla seems to agree, and has offered its owners an eight year, “infinite mile” warranty.   Fortunately for us, Tesla is a publicly traded company, so we can see if its repair record holds up to its marketing spin.

In its 2016 annual report, Tesla anticipated that warranty repairs would cost it $3,079 per vehicle over the lifetime of the Model S.  But that’s not the only cost of driving a car – there is also tire rotation, break fluid replacement, and other maintenance, which over the four years of ownership will set back a Tesla owner another $2,400.

Is that cheap for an $80,000 vehicle?  The nearest competitor to Tesla might be Mercedes, which has an average warranty cost of $2264 on its fleet, though limiting its coverage to just 4 years/50,000 miles. And its warranty does not cover everything that may need fixing in the vehicle: Edmunds expects a Mercedes E-Class owner to spend $8,414 out of pocket in those first four years.

Add up those costs, and after four years the Tesla comes out at half the price.  This 2X savings is almost certainly a conservative estimate, since the Tesla warranty lasts over twice as long.  And Edmunds estimates that Mercedes will cost its owner another $5476 in repairs and maintenance during year 5.  I hope they have the money.Tesla vs Mercedes

Comparison of costs in the first four years of ownership of the Tesla model S vs Mercedes E Class, two cars roughly comparable in price and features. Data on the Mercedes from Edmunds

These kinds of comparisons are imperfect, but it sure looks like Seba, and Tesla, are on to something here.



4. Electric vehicles cost less to power

Internal combustion engines are relatively inefficient: All other things being equal, an electric vehicle uses only 1/3 the energy of a gasoline vehicle.  As I write this, electricity in the US costs about $0.12/kWh retail, while regular fuel costs $2.40.  A these prices, a Tesla model S, which gets about 3 miles per kWh, will cost about $0.04 per mile to drive.  A fairly efficient, 25 MPG gasoline sedan will require $0.10.

Advantage: Batteries.Fuel costs

A comparison of fuel costs of electric (solid lines) vs comparable gas vehicles (dashed lines).  The 3 mile/kWh range is the standard for a Model S.  The 1 mile/kWh is proposed for next generation electric trucks.  The 10 MPG range is proposed for next generation diesel trucks.  Data adapted from a similar plot by Idaho National Labs.

And again, this is, long-term, an underestimate.  As the price of solar + battery storage comes down, there will no reason to tie a vehicle recharging station to the grid.  In 10 years, the price of locally created energy could be half today’s price, or less, increasing the advantage of EV further.  It doesn’t matter how cheap oil gets; even if the oil was $10 per barrel you still have to pay for refining it.  EVs win this battle.

5.  Multiply these factors, and self-driving cars will be mind-bogglingly cheap

Let’s go back to our big rig, and our taxi.  When we exclude the costs of humans, drop fuel costs by 3X, capital costs by 4X, and maintenance costs by 2X, something really interesting happens.  The cost of trucking drops by almost a factor of 5, from $103,000 per year to $23,000 per year.

Cost of trucking 2

The cost of a cab drops even more dramatically, to about 10% of today.

Cost of Taxis 2

Graph plotted as % costs; Ottawa did not provide $ figures in their taxi report.

The cost of a driverless car will be 15¢-20¢ per mile.  And this is the transportation revolution: At 20¢ per mile, hailing a ride in a self-driving car will cost less than driving your own car.  Even if your own car is fully paid for.Cost of your own vehicle

A comparison of self-driving costs versus personal ownership.  Personal ownership figures taken from AAA.  The costs of self-driving are less than personal ownership even if the car is paid off, primarily because of the cost of fuel and personal insurance.

6.  Actually, it will be cheaper than that

A Tesla Model S comes equipped with an 85 kWh battery, which gives it a range of about 250 miles on a single charge.  Today, that battery costs over $10,000 per pack, and weighs 1,200 pounds – nearly as much as an entire Smart car.  A Tesla sedan is like a mommy car, whose energy is sapped by lugging around a toddler car wherever it goes.

So why does a Tesla need this large, 85 kWh battery?

Tesla batteries have a range of 250 miles to allay people’s fear of running out of fuel during a trip, something called ‘range anxiety’.  But for non-neurotics, is this range really necessary? The average Uber ride is just 6.4 miles.  And thousands of owners of the plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt complete nearly every activity in their daily life within its battery range of 50 miles.

“End of life” in lithium batteries does not describe any limitation of the chemistry.  It describes the limitation of our application.  A battery with a capacity of 70% can’t take us on long trips, but it still drives shorter distances fine.  And as Volt owners know, the vast majority of our trips are simply not that long.

If that Tesla battery kept degrading linearly over time[2], at around 2.25 million miles it would have the capacity of a Chevy Volt – still serviceable for 6 or 7 average rides before it needed recharging.  That battery will last 15X longer than an internal combustion engine.  That battery is, for this purpose, effectively free.

Tesla range 3

Of course, rather than start with a huge battery and drive it down to 20% (carrying nearly 1,000 pounds of dead weight in the process), it makes sense to simply build a vehicle around a smaller battery.

How small?  Over 90% of trips are less than 20 miles.  If fact, half of all trips are less than 5 miles.

Car trip histogram

Histogram of automobile trip length.  Data from SolarJourneyUSA.com

Robots don’t get irritated by having to stop every few trips to refuel.   Robots don’t get range anxiety.  If the economics work out, why not make lots of cheap, tiny vehicles, instead of just a few big ones?  Most of today’s trips could be made just fine with a self-driving golf cart. Prices for a street-legal cart are less than $10,000.

It’s not chemistry that limits vehicle batteries.  It’s us.

7. Self-driving cars will ask us to think like capitalists

Most of us perceive that companies love robots because they remove the cost of labor from production – every wage not paid is money in the pockets of investors.  Yet often the more important savings come from something entirely different: Reconfiguring the entire system to perform more efficiently than a human ever could.

Removing labor from the cost of driving only nets a 2X improvement.  Yet when the person is gone, we can built a fleet.  When we build a fleet, we can match the size of the battery to the trip that is needed.  When we optimize size to rides, we realize that without a human driver, we deploy a one-person vehicle for most needs, at a fraction of the cost of a full sized sedan.

Taking out the people from the equation nets us not just the 2X savings from their labor, but allows us to reconsider our assumptions about what an automobile is.  Without drivers, cars will cost 10X less.  At least.

This is a stunning conclusion for anyone who drives for a living.  The problem isn’t the wage.  The problem is the person.

Yet because most of us buy our own vehicles today, we will each don the hat of the investor when we decide whether to switch to transportation on demand. And I predict that we will each unearth our inner capitalists, because the economics of the transformation to self-driving cars are stunning.

To illustrate, let’s do some middle school math:  If a self driving car costs $0.18 per mile, and a personal vehicle $0.58 per mile, how much money will a typical driver (15,000 miles per year) save by switching?

The answer is $6,000.  Per car.  Per year.

Think about that number for a moment.

The median personal income for a full time worker in the US is $41,500.  The person who chooses to abandon their existing vehicle in favor of a self-driving car will get a 15% raise.  After taxes.   And that savings holds for rich and poor alike.

This economics is what makes the case for self-driving cars so compelling.  The strongest case against self-driving cars is this:  Individually owned cars do more than just get us from point A to B.  Cars provide us with self-expression, spiritual release, and a place to make out.  And while self-driving cars excel at transport, they are likely to fail at these other tasks.

But if the opportunity cost is $6000 per year, we can find alternatives.  Cars do many non-transportation tasks very well.  But they are not unique.

And this is why car ownership will die for everyone but the most dedicated enthusiasts.  This time, it’s individuals and families who are auditioning for the role of capitalists.  And in that role, they will look at the idea of hiring a human – even if it’s themselves – and ask: Is this really necessary?  Isn’t there a better way to invest my money?

When given the incentives of a business, we will respond like one.  And the world will change in the blink of an eye.








[1] Battery lifetime is complicated stuff – the electrolyte can decompose, the cathode can fracture or dissolve, etc.  But generally speaking, when you charge and discharge slowly enough, the degradation rate is roughly proportional to the number of electrons passed, which is in turn proportional to miles.  It’s a simplistic assumption, but it turns out roughly correct for an application like this.

[2] Older battery chemistries such as lead acid did fail at 80% – if a lead acid battery at 80% capacity was subjected to a shock, such as a bump in the road, it could fail catastrophically.  But modern lithium batteries don’t do this; they die slowly.

23 thoughts on “Will you hire a robot to be your chauffeur?

    1. EROI – energy return on investment – strikes me as a subtler problem, if only because there is a lot of uncertainty as to how, exactly, to do that accounting. It’s a good concept, just hard to get consensus. By contrast, the effect of self-driving cars will be large enough that most of those shale oil cases should get wiped out quickly, as they should be.

  1. Wow nice work on this Seth, do you ever sleep? Just a note my newer Tesla has dual motors and a 90 kWh battery, and the top range is 296. But please note that in sub-freezing condition you can knock that down by 20%.

    Steve Szabo Rural Energy Group 303-809-3547 coopmembersalliance@gmail.com


  2. One question that haunts me is the question of decision-making when it comes to the programming of a robot driven car. Not just decision-making, but responsibility. Given a decision that could happen on the road where the car needs to decide whether to hit another car on its left side or strike a child on it’s right side, how does the decision making of today with a person driving car compare to the decision making of a programmed robot in the future? If I am driven in a robot driven car and it’s rented by me to drive 6 miles who is responsible for the accident? How well will we be able to program cars to drive safely so that there is decision making about accidents? And if there is no one in the car, and there is such an accident how is it dealt with?Is this morally acceptable? I can make decisions but can a robot? In general I think that robot driven cars are going to be safer than people driven cars for a lot of reasons but the scenario that I present troubles me.

    1. Have you noticed how terrible humans are at decision making? I don’t know why it would be more troubling if a robot driver killed a child than a human driver, which we live with and deal with every single day. The “responsibility” that you’re proposing as an inherent quality of an inattentive or drunk driver has never been able to bring a murdered pedestrian back to life. And I doubt the insurance industry will go away, so the “problem” of who is liable if you are riding in a robot car owned by someone else will be simple to resolve.

  3. Great post Seth. You could have a built into the comparison the depreciation cost of capital. The easiest way for most people to conceptualize this are the repayments on the loan required for a gas car vs a self driving equivalent. Today, the cost is skewed towards gas. In the future it will be skewed the other way.

  4. Very interesting post.

    It occurred to me that this analysis doesn’t account for the value of time recovered from driving & servicing the car. That’s the main attraction for me. The commute time could be far more entertaining or useful, and e.g. parents could potentially free up a lot of time currently taken up by ferrying kids to various activities.

    It’s also interesting to consider long distance trips. It appears that at $0.18/mile, self-driving cars are also competitive with long distance modes of transport (e.g. cheaper than planes). I wonder what that means.

    One more thing that was alluded to in the previous post is that the home ownership picture could change a bit as new houses wouldn’t need a garage, so they could be smaller/cheaper (although I suspect people might just want more rooms in the countries where the trend is towards larger houses).

    1. Thanks for reading! I did some preliminary analysis on displacing air travel with self-driving cars, and most trips are short-haul, at a price roughly comparable to the cost of a self-driving car. The longer-haul prices are lower, but of course that is if you assume they take only one passenger. If you are in the short- and medium-haul flight business (hello, Southwest) this has the potential to be very significant. Time will still matter (at least until we can put bed in vehicles), so I’m not sure where the cutoff will be, but I can’t imagine flights of <500 miles surviving.

      I have been working on a piece about the knock-on changes. They are much bigger than just getting rid of garages, but it's a complex story to understand and tell. Stay tuned!

      Oh, and I for one will welcome the opportunity to play more Candy Crush instead of driving. People talk about how much they love driving, but my bet is they love a lot of other things as well. I welcome the opportunity to be freed from it, and I do wonder whether my 12 year old will ever learn to drive (or if I will have to drive him).

  5. Hi Seth, love reading your posts. Your assertions are always backed by multiple fact sources, a condition that often gets left by the wayside in modern scientific writing. Having read through the article, I believe you make compelling arguments.

    I have a couple of problems with the scope of these assertions. Clearly they seem to apply to the US and Europe, that is, the developed world. A Tesla Model S is still way above the paygrade of most of the rest of the world.

    However, you then speak of driverless cars, or rather, public transport, which of course makes the previous argument meaningless. Except that it probably does not. Take India, for instance. A large number of people make a living driving lorries, vans, taxis, auto-rickshaws and similar other types of public and commercial transport. And since this is the second-most populous country we are talking about, “a large number” means a lot. Driverless cars will leave this huge percentage out of a job. While that might be financially profitable for certain companies, it might be difficult to convince such a large workforce to ignore inertia. Do you think your analysis extends to the so-called third world?

    Thanks for reading.


    1. Somdeb,

      I love the question. I would say that the analysis applies to the 3rd world in general, but of course the costs and implementation details will be very different. In my visits to China I learned that traffic rules are really more like guidance, and that’s for the cars, not pedestrians, cyclists, etc. Self-driving will unquestionably be technically harder in China, India, or Brasil than in Germany.

      On the other hand, most people in developing nations do not have a car in the garage that they already love. It’s not nuts, because the economic logic roughly scales to smaller cars – the price of a self-driving car ride should be roughly the cost of a rickshaw ride in India (about 7 rupees/km), assuing we get the costs of LIDAR down (and that seems like a decent assumption at the moment). So why not trade up for a better experience, in a self-driving Nano? We don’t know for certain how people will react, but we will find out soon.

      On jobs: That is a question that I get a lot, but I do not see self-driving vehicles as a job-killer. The social costs will be real as many people lose their jobs, and I don’t want to diminish the pain of having to find a new career. But this is not inherently worse from the outcome from other technological changes; the only difference is that driving is very top of mind, because these are jobs that we see every day. Technology usually kills the jobs that are inside buildings, hidden from view (think about manufacturing automation); but economies grow just the same.

      1. Seth,

        Indeed. Coming up with driverless or autonomous car technology that is able to navigate the traffic of Kolkata or Chennai is an immense challenge, far more than perhaps driving around Amsterdam. It comes down to flexibly interpreting the law. In European cities, you’d have to do it once a minute. In cities like Mumbai, you’d have to do it every two to three seconds. So, yes, getting Level >2 cars running in India is an astronomical challenge.

        But it is, ultimately, a technological challenge. And given the incredible current rate at which autonomous car technology is moving forward, those will be overcome sooner rather than later. In fact, getting autonomous/driverless (AN/DL) cars on the road will create a positive feedback loop, with the complexity in traffic decreasing in direct proportion to the density of AN/DL cars.

        However, I wasn’t talking about the technology.

        Let’s talk about how much it costs to move around in India. I live in Kolkata, and we have every sort of transportation imaginable — from the rickshaws you mentioned to electric trams (streetcars) to Uber taxis. The cost of a rickshaw ride is variable and varies locally, and can in fact be higher than the Rs 7/km you said. Autorickshaws, distinct from simple human-powered or battery-powered rickshaws, can be higher. On the other end of the spectrum, Uber rides are advertised as Rs 7/km, but it turns out that the actual fare comes close to Rs 10-12/km plus an initial fee of Rs 60/-. Given that, if the cost of the LIDAR array does indeed come down, and if companies like Tesla, perhaps in cooperation with someone like Tata, can come up with a NanoTesla, then it is conceivable that the AN/DL EV revolution might breach its final frontier.

        However, I wasn’t also just talking about business and costs.

        I do agree with what you said in the last paragraph. Yes, technological wavefronts do indeed leave a wake of lost jobs behind them. Take the gaslighters of the Victorian era or the lift attendants (elevator operators) of mid-nineteenth century America. These jobs have given way to sodium and mercury gas-discharges and automatic lifts. However, these jobs went away because investors and building owners invested in automatic lifts. More crucially, it is because they were *allowed* to invest.

        In India, political parties stay in power mostly as a result of what we call “votebank politics” : catering to certain sections of the masses by offering them sops in return for political loyalty on election day. Donald Trump used a somewhat primitive version of the same strategy to great effect last November. If AN/DL EV cars do indeed threaten the (immediate) livelihoods of so many disparate sections of society, so much so that the votebank itself could be threatened, the Indian political establishment will make sure that hurdles are set up along the path to technological progress. Just ask Elon Musk.

        This comment became somewhat longer than I had anticipate. Also, thanks to an embarrassing technical faux pas from my side, I came across your reply only today. Thanks for replying, and I hope we can talk more about this.


    2. Somdeb, this is a great question. I will answer as best I can from my orderly, quiet suburb in the US.

      I would expect self-driving cars to launch first in Amaravathi, both because it is a greenfield city, and because the government of Andhra Pradesh desperately wants to be seen as a technology leader. It is an amazing stroke of luck for them to have a critical technology arise that can really only work in their city, and I think (hope?) they are smart enough to realize this and leverage it. And given the potential size of the Indian market, I think they could attract world leading companies to set up headquarters there to make it a self-driving city.

      Andra Pradesh would not be shy about attempting to roll out the technology statewide, and touting themselves as a leader. Hyderabad will be jealous, and could actually start to lose young people. That’s when the politics nationwide would start to unravel.

      So yes, adoption will be behind the rest of the world, but more like 5 years than 50. I like to point out that when Uber launched in the US, it’s business model was illegal. Airbnb was also illegal. Strong demand can wash away a lot of political resistance; the trick is to find someone willing to take that first risk. But given the size of the rewards, I feel fairly confident that someone will.


      1. I would just like to point something out about self-driving cars, because I found it counterintuitive when I heard it: Elon Musk didn’t seem to think that city driving in India or China would be much of a hurdle. He suggested that at low speeds, autonomous driving was pretty much solved, and wherever you are, it’s the same problem of ensuring that the car doesn’t come into contact with vehicles or people around it. The more difficult part is high speed driving.

        I know that in urban India, the distances to other vehicles on all sides are terrifyingly small 🙂 It’s possible that Musk is too optimistic about the challenges there.

      2. @Alex : Terrifying, vanishingly small. Also, the distances between one car and the fourteen surrounding it dynamically changes every second or so.

        However, technological challenges can indeed be overcome. Given that the current state of AI would have been well nigh unthinkable even at the turn of the millennium, I have every confidence that Driverless Autonomous cars will be a reality. Just perhaps not as quickly as Tony Star…I mean, Elon Musk thinks.

        @Seth : As for the politics of it, as you point out, it might take a little longer for India. While I agree partially with this view, I am still somewhat sceptical. However, your knowledge and analysis of Indian internal politics is rather impressive Dr Miller! 🙂


        Seth, since you mentioned Amaravati, I thought I’ll look it up. And in doing so I came across the following. It was reported around Jul 25 of this year in the major English dailies on India.

        “Expressing concern over possible impact on jobs Minister for road transport and highways Nitin Gadkari declared that the government will block the concept of driverless vehicles in India, a new transport concept which will eliminate human intervention.”

        So, yes, well, hmm. This explains why Musk came, saw and left India. We ain’t gettin’ no driverless cars. At least not until the current government gets voted out of power. And going by the looks of it, that’s not happening anytime soon.

        I think I’ll go to the corner and be sad now.

  6. Hi Seth,

    Found your website recently and I’m loving the articles! As a scientist, I enjoy your thorough approach too. My question is, in terms of greenhouse gases, planes have quite an impact. Do you know of any development for electric planes/electric ships? I imagine that rockets and space exploration are still a long way off for electric power, and by that point we’ll probably have space elevators 🙂


    1. The CO2 emissions from aviation are about 2% of the total (but the total radiative forcing with other factors taken into account is apparently 2-4 times more): https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-challenge-tackling-aviations-non-co2-emissions

      From what I’ve seen, Elon Musk has suggested that an electric plane becomes viable at specific energy of a battery of 400 Wh/kg. Current specific energy for battery packs appears to be around 250Wh/kg. Assuming a growth rate of 5% per year, 400Wh/kg can be reached in 10 years (but will probably require a switch to Li-S batteries or something else). I think that growth rate is consistent with historical improvements but unfortunately I don’t have a supporting link to hand.

      Again, according to Musk, rockets are unlikely to ever become electric because of their energy/weight requirements.

      Electric ships technically already exist, for example: https://www.siemens.com/innovation/en/home/pictures-of-the-future/mobility-and-motors/electromobility-electric-ferries.html. There was another example of an autonomous electric ship being built in Norway recently.

      1. Alex, that article from carbonbrief was fascinating. Thank you!

        On batteries, I would say that 400 Wh/kg is hard. The automotive lithium ion market is working to reduce cost more than weight; moving to self-driving cars actually takes some of the emphasis off weight, since not every vehicle will need to be built with a 300 mile range. So I don’t know if Tesla will get there via continuous improvement; winding the battery more tightly has a greater impact.

        That said, there is still a lot of research interest, including a recent press release from Toyota about their solid state battery technology, which would frankly be an even better fit for aviation than for vehicles because there is no flammability risk. It’s still vaporware, of course – most battery announcements are. But if we are going for the long haul, as it were, the technology is very interesting. There is also a US company, Solid Power, working on something similar. I know the guys, so I’ll refer to Toyota’s tech out of fairness: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/07/toyota-wants-to-commercialize-solid-state-ev-batteries-by-2022-reports-say/

    2. Chris, glad you are liking this! I definitely have been influenced by all those years of reading papers and writing proposals. 🙂

      I do not have good answers yet for long haul planes and ships. Short haul flights, which make up a majority of total air traffic, will face stiff competition from self-driving vehicles – I would expect air travel under about 400 miles to vanish, and travel under 600 miles to become substantially compromised. In that sense, those trips will become electrified.

      There are some interesting technologies being developed to fuel long haul shipping and air travel, but I consider them still pretty speculative, which to me means >7 years away from commercialization at any meaningful scale. But frankly, if we move cars and trucks to electrical, the work to bring new power on-line will keep us plenty busy for the short term. During that time, alternatives to jet fuel will advance, solar will be less than half of the cost today, and we may be investing in hydrogen infrastructure as a means of storing energy during times of peak sun. The conversation will look very different, so the opacity of that particular future doesn’t bother me now.

  7. First I want to say thank you for your always interesting blogs – you provide me with my Sunday morning ‘think’, and it is a great refreshment to read about forward-thinking ideas, especially with the research and cites that you provide.

    After reading this blog and the comments that followed it, I am struck by the absence of the idea of automated traffic control within crowded cities, or at least the busiest of downtown cores. As most cities are now providing dedicated bicycle lanes, and on highways, dedicated commuter lanes for those with more than one person, does it not follow that there could be dedicated auto-car lanes? And that these could be controlled to provide maximum speed and safety by a traffic control system? It would then be easy to project that in a very short time, all traffic in a busy downtown core, for instance, would be restricted to auto-cars on a traffic control system.

    This is not an original idea to me, of course, but something that has been postulated over and over again in science fiction. However, I can see how it would solve the problems in those large cities mentioned in your blog and the comments, such as those found in India, China and Brazil, but also in our own cities closer to home where the traffic situation is approaching critical.

    I would be very surprised to learn that those currently writing the code for these AI driven vehicles have not, at the very least, taken this possibility into consideration, and it would not take me by surprise to learn that someone is already writing the code for such a traffic control system.

    I look forward, as always to your next blog.

    1. Wendy, thanks! Here is a an astonishing traffic simulation of what could be accomplished using just vehicle-to-vehicle communications – no new infrastructure – if cars were self-driving. Just go to about 1 minutes into the video to see what the traffic looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pbAI40dK0A.

      You can immediately see how Manhattan or downtown London or Shanghai would do exactly as you suggest – ban human driving in the interest of eliminating traffic. A personally owned vehicle could be forced to go on autopilot in specific regions. It’s really quite mind-boggling to picture it.

      There are questions of accommodating bicycles and pedestrians, so perhaps some new infrastructure will be required once we learn how humans and robot vehicles interact (humans are hard to predict). But to your point, the incentives are so profound that it’s hard to imagine how this doesn’t happen – cities that don’t adopt self-driving will be at a disadvantage relative to cities that do!

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